[POLITICS] Pete Buttigieg just dropped out

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03/01/2020 at 18:43 • Filed to: None

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even though he was second place in the delegate race so far, he did poorly in SC


DISCUSSION (63)


Kinja'd!!! For Sweden > dogisbadob
03/01/2020 at 18:49

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Pete could not beat the Final Boss of American politics


Kinja'd!!! Spanfeller is a twat > dogisbadob
03/01/2020 at 18:51

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Hmm, I have zooned out recently... I just heard Thursday’s The Daily and they claim Bernie Sanders is gonna have a Russian problem...

This is turning intense. 


Kinja'd!!! someassemblyrequired > dogisbadob
03/01/2020 at 18:53

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He needs to run for Todd Young’s senate seat in Indiana.  That campaign should start now...


Kinja'd!!! mazda616 > dogisbadob
03/01/2020 at 18:54

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Pete supporter here. I really like him. I hope he goes on to other things. He’s the first political candidate I’ve ever donated to. Can’t decide who I’m rooting for, now. I am NOT a Sanders person. My worst fear is a Sanders vs. Trump election.


Kinja'd!!! VincentMalamute-Kim > dogisbadob
03/01/2020 at 18:55

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He did the responsible thing. That makes me want to vote for him the next time.

Most of the others, especially Bernie, are megalomaniacal and believe only they can save the country. Even if that means Trump gets re-elected. He’s willing to let the country burn rather than make a personal sacrifice to make sure Trump is out.

You could argue Bernie was the reason why Trump was elected the first time around.


Kinja'd!!! fintail > dogisbadob
03/01/2020 at 18:56

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One less name for me to mispronounce.


Kinja'd!!! dogisbadob > mazda616
03/01/2020 at 18:58

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someone else on here suggested he run for senate, as there is a senate election in Indiana this year.


Kinja'd!!! dogisbadob > someassemblyrequired
03/01/2020 at 18:59

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+1 needs to run for senator or governor, or even the house. Pete was too young and inexperienced to be president at this time anyway


Kinja'd!!! dogisbadob > VincentMalamute-Kim
03/01/2020 at 19:02

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I agree that Bernie is too polarizing and too old, and his supporters are toxic, especially on twitter.


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03/01/2020 at 19:04

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Kinja'd!!! Neil drives a beetle and a fancy beetle > someassemblyrequired
03/01/2020 at 19:07

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Even one term as a senator would have completely changed the race for him.


Kinja'd!!! Nibby > dogisbadob
03/01/2020 at 19:08

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MORE POWER FOR SCOOB/NIBBY 2020

EAT SHIT, LIBS


Kinja'd!!! Neil drives a beetle and a fancy beetle > dogisbadob
03/01/2020 at 19:09

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It seems like the right thing to do to open an alley for a moderate but I’m not fond of Biden or Bloomberg. I’m actually coming around to the idea of  sanders. But really I think it’s a shame warren can’t quite get traction.


Kinja'd!!! Just Jeepin' > dogisbadob
03/01/2020 at 19:09

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When I heard Bernie supporters talking about voting for Trump in 2016 after he failed to get the nomination   I couldn’t believe it. Bizarre.


Kinja'd!!! Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > dogisbadob
03/01/2020 at 19:11

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Yes.


Kinja'd!!! dogisbadob > Neil drives a beetle and a fancy beetle
03/01/2020 at 19:12

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A presidential candidate should at least have some experience as a senator, governor, or in the House. A mayor isn’ t enough.


Kinja'd!!! Mid Engine > dogisbadob
03/01/2020 at 19:13

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Pete had virtually zero support from the black voters, and I’m not sure where the Hispanics stood. He’s got a reputation that needs to be cleaned up before he runs for any office. Too bad, I like Pete. Also, I’m not sure America is ready for a gay president , too many “conservatives” that would not support him because of his orientation.    And here we are with a bunch of folks in their 70's jousting (I don’t take Amy seriously). What a time to be alive..


Kinja'd!!! Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > dogisbadob
03/01/2020 at 19:13

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Too inexperienced didn't stop other presidents. I like the guy. Maybe he'll be a VP running mate.


Kinja'd!!! Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > For Sweden
03/01/2020 at 19:15

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You just like him because he's from Indiana.


Kinja'd!!! dogisbadob > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo
03/01/2020 at 19:18

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He’s probably trying to be Biden’s running mate


Kinja'd!!! For Sweden > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo
03/01/2020 at 19:20

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America deserves a president that respects The Month of May.


Kinja'd!!! For Sweden > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo
03/01/2020 at 19:23

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SecDef

Robert McN amera without the Falcon


Kinja'd!!! wafflesnfalafel > VincentMalamute-Kim
03/01/2020 at 19:25

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T hat really is what PO’d me the most about Sanders - I agree with some of his more general points, (better supporting the middle class because that is really what creates a more stable and successful society,) but he’s basically why Trump won and has taken limited responsibility for it. While he certainly advocates strongly, (and that can be important ,) the actual net sum outcome has been negative even for his rabid constituents...   I’m going to go buy a lotto ticket and some beer now, thank you...


Kinja'd!!! VincentMalamute-Kim > dogisbadob
03/01/2020 at 19:27

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I’m pretty middle of the road. Bernie’s ideals are nice and I hope we get there someday. But his supporters are as idiotic as Trump’s. None of his ideas are going to get passed if he did win.


Kinja'd!!! WRXforScience > VincentMalamute-Kim
03/01/2020 at 19:29

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Wait, how? What did Bernie do that helped Trump in 20 16, and how is he in any way, beside running for president, a megalomaniac?

Biden and Buttigie g are middling politicians with nebulous differences from the Republicans they ‘fight’ against. At least Bernie takes a stand for the ideals he believes in, even the ones that hurt him politically. My preferred candidate was Warren (and Clinton in 2016) , but Warren shot herself in the foot early with the whole blood test thing and then again when she faded into the background instead of being bold (like in the more recent debates when she shed the ‘nice guy’ facade and went for blood).

Biden’s only two appeals are: 1. he was Obama’s VP and 2. name recognition/ “ electibility” . What’s a Biden presidency look like? Compromise with the Republicans who have already learned that if they just stonewall and disrupt they only become more popular, and only shoot for moderate reforms before compromising that nudge the needle only so slightly towards the good.

Biden is the Chili’s or Toyota Camry or politics, b land and inoffensive. It’s the default choice because it’s good enough and you really don’t want to make any difficult decisions. If Trump is Hooter’s or a Harley, objectionably terrible in nearly every metric but groups of people love them for some reason (usually racism).

If you think Biden is the answer to Trump, you should blame him for not running in 2016 and getting Trump elected in the first place (I don’t think he’d have done any better in 2016 and probably couldn’t have won the nomination over Clinton).


Kinja'd!!! VincentMalamute-Kim > wafflesnfalafel
03/01/2020 at 19:29

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yup. You are my complaint about talking politics. Talking to Trumpies makes my blood boil and I can’t. But then what’s the point talking to an intelligent, reasonable person like you where we agree on everything?


Kinja'd!!! camarov6rs > dogisbadob
03/01/2020 at 19:30

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Not to be too cynical but I wonder what the DNC promised him? Besides he’s young and will have plenty more chances for federal and state legislatures or trying again come 2024.


Kinja'd!!! Who is the Leader - 404 / Blog No Longer Available > VincentMalamute-Kim
03/01/2020 at 19:35

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The basic problem is that no one who wants to be in charge enough to be president really should be president. I have plenty of problems with all parties, but I can admire honesty and virtue even when I do not agree with them.


Kinja'd!!! VincentMalamute-Kim > WRXforScience
03/01/2020 at 19:37

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He wounded Hillary in the nomination fight. And then you have his supporters like @dogisbadob mentions “Bernie supporters talking about voting for Trump in 2016 after he failed to get the nomination I couldn’t believe it”.

He’s extreme like Trump. Much much smarter though. He’s evidently not realizing that. I believe his nomination will maximize the Right’s turnout as well as turn off the middle. Turnout is key to winning elections.

I agree with his ideals. I don’t believe they’re getting passed even if he got elected. Remember how much people bitched about Obama not getting his promises made? Like closing Guantanamo? Blocked at every step by the GOP. If he wins, I believe we’re going to lose seats in the Congress and maybe lose the House.

I think it’s more important to beat Trump. Any Democrat will be smarter with better policies. A lot of Republicans would be better than Trump .


Kinja'd!!! VincentMalamute-Kim > Who is the Leader - 404 / Blog No Longer Available
03/01/2020 at 19:40

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Exactly.  That applies to any position of power.  Anyone who wants to be CEO, etc, should be disqualified because they want to.


Kinja'd!!! Cash Rewards > Mid Engine
03/01/2020 at 19:42

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Anybody who wouldn't vote for pete on account of sexual orientation is just voting for trump anyway. It's a net zero


Kinja'd!!! 4B11tFTW! > dogisbadob
03/01/2020 at 19:45

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I have a feeling he's going to endorse Bloomberg. 


Kinja'd!!! WRXforScience > VincentMalamute-Kim
03/01/2020 at 19:52

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The Republicans are going to obstruct whoever the next Democratic president is. Bernie supporters who voted for Trump are terrible, I’m not sure how many would have voted for Trump or just not voted at all if Bernie hadn’t been a thing.

Primaries are supposed to weed out weak candidates and I thought in 2016 that Bernie was a tough but fair primary challenger who wasn’t even particularly aggressive in his attacks.

Obama could have accomplished more if he had been more progressive and pushed back harder against Con gress/Republicans. As President, he could close Guantanamo by ordering all troops out of Guantanamo, he’s commander in chief (he could have also threatened to just that if Republicans didn’t cooperate) . The problem was that he still wanted to try to do things in a bipartisan fashion which was impossible because the republicans never negotiated in good faith and had no intention to compromise, even when it was in their interest.

Hell, Obama could end the primaries by coming out and supporting and campaigning for Biden. The fact that Obama isn’t at Biden rallies and that the Obama campaign system isn’t Biden’s says all you need to know about how much Obama supports him.


Kinja'd!!! DipodomysDeserti > dogisbadob
03/01/2020 at 20:05

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Too old or too polarizing for what? Did you  catch who won the last election?


Kinja'd!!! Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > For Sweden
03/01/2020 at 20:11

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You always speak in riddles.


Kinja'd!!! My bird IS the word > dogisbadob
03/01/2020 at 20:11

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Think he is gonna be somebody's VP? That'd be my guess.


Kinja'd!!! Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > For Sweden
03/01/2020 at 20:12

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What is that  supposed to mean?


Kinja'd!!! dogisbadob > My bird IS the word
03/01/2020 at 20:12

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He’s probably trying to be Biden’s VP


Kinja'd!!! dogisbadob > DipodomysDeserti
03/01/2020 at 20:13

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Bernie is almost 80! He had a heart attack a few months ago

Old people that were around for the red scare and cold war are especially afraid of him because socialism is fucking scary to too many of the vital swing states that decide the election

Also, a lot of people just HATE Hillary


Kinja'd!!! For Sweden > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo
03/01/2020 at 20:14

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The M onth of May is a common name for the Indianapolis 500 practice, qualifying, and race. The Indianapolis is the largest annual sporting event in I ndiana .


Kinja'd!!! For Sweden > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo
03/01/2020 at 20:15

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The History of Robert McNamara is not a riddle.


Kinja'd!!! DipodomysDeserti > dogisbadob
03/01/2020 at 20:28

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So no Samders because he’s old and too liberal, Biden’s out because he’s also old ( 77), Bloomberg is out because he’s only ever been a mayor, Warren’s also too liberal, so you’re left with (checks notes), Amy Klobuchar, who’s losing to all these people.

I’m predicting another Trump win. Dems are the Goldilocks of voters. 


Kinja'd!!! Just Jeepin' > For Sweden
03/01/2020 at 20:32

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Sadly it’s been so compressed since the CART split I’m not sure it’s still a legit nickname. 

And I just came to the horrifying realization it might be canceled this year. Oi. Somehow that hadn’t occurred to me.


Kinja'd!!! K-Roll-PorscheTamer > dogisbadob
03/01/2020 at 20:46

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Yep!


Kinja'd!!! hike > Neil drives a beetle and a fancy beetle
03/01/2020 at 20:53

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I know the internet and reality are incredibly different, but I've seen and heard so many "it's a shame" comments about Warren, I'm confused how she doesn't have more support. I've also seen plenty of comments about people liking sanders ideas, but not sanders. Good thing we have a progressive candidate who isn't as polarizing as sanders. 


Kinja'd!!! dogisbadob > DipodomysDeserti
03/01/2020 at 20:55

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Warren could actually get things done, though. And while she is still older than I’d like, she’s 10 years younger than Bernie, and women do live longer than men. Warren is most of what people like about Bernie but a lot less of the bad shit people hate. Bernie wanted Warren to run in 2016 and only launched his own campaign after she decided not to run.

In other words, Warren is a younger, more-effective version of Bernie. I actually like Warren.

Amy Klobuchar has been very effective in the senate. She definitely does get things done. Check this out.

Bloomberg and Biden are not only too old, but also racist pieces of shit. You know Biden is jealous of Bloomberg and wishes he had thought of stop and frisk. Biden started the stupid war on drugs, the crime bill, and the way he treated Anita Hill during the Clarence Thomas confirmation hearings. People are only supporting him because he was Obama’s VP. Otherwise, he wouldn’t have done any better than Delaney.

There is also the problem of Bloomberg trying to buy the election.

Biden is showing signs of decline with his gaffes and shit, and he very well could have dementia. Either way, he is not in a good state.

Trump could very well win again

I will vote for the democrat no matter who it is. I’m more blue no matter who at this point since Trump is fucking awful, but I am worried that someone that can’t get the crucial swing voters will lose.

That is why I was rooting for Delaney: because he is moderate, not old, and has a good set of experience that would’ve made him successful in the general election and in the white house. Most of the 2018 blue wave in congress was moderate.

Even though Bill Weld is also old, he gets a pass because someone has to run against Trump in the republican primary.

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Kinja'd!!! Cash Rewards > DipodomysDeserti
03/01/2020 at 21:25

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This right fucking here is why we're screwed


Kinja'd!!! Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > For Sweden
03/01/2020 at 21:27

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I. Had. Zero. Clue.


Kinja'd!!! Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > For Sweden
03/01/2020 at 21:27

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Was he from Indiana also ?


Kinja'd!!! facw > wafflesnfalafel
03/01/2020 at 21:28

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If Hillary lost because she didn’t get enough support from Bernie’s supporters, that’s primarily on her. It’s inevitable that you are going to end up with less support from progressives if you nominate a moderate who rejects progressive ideals. If you want to put forth a moderate candidate because they might bring in more conservatives, you also have to be willing to blame them for not appealing to progressives. Could Bernie have done more to rally his supporters? Probably, but Clinton could have done more to reach out to them as well, and she was the one running. Instead the message coming from the Clinton campaign was basically  anger and contempt that anyone had dared challenge Clinton’s inevitable nomination.


Kinja'd!!! facw > someassemblyrequired
03/01/2020 at 21:29

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He’d lose statewide election in Indiana. It’s probably why he’s doing this, ingratiate himself with Biden and hopefully get a cabinet position to stay in the game.


Kinja'd!!! For Sweden > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo
03/01/2020 at 21:29

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I wish. He was a Californian


Kinja'd!!! facw > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo
03/01/2020 at 21:32

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I don’t think anyone as inexperienced as Buttigieg though? I think e ven the Trump organization is bigger than the government of South Bend Indiana. 


Kinja'd!!! facw > hike
03/01/2020 at 21:37

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I get the sense she’s a lot of people’s second choice. That could be really beneficial in a ranked-choice election, but is mostly meaningless in the current system. Conceivably she could benefit from Buttigieg leaving as they have both been relatively popular with college-educated whites, but probably it’s too late for Warren as well. I suspect she keeps going hoping that in a contested convention she’d be seen as someone who could appeal to progressives without Bernie’s insurgent tendencies , but I also think that it wouldn’t actually work. If Bernie goes into the convention with significantly more support than anyone else, then cutting him out, even for a fellow progressive would spell doom in November.


Kinja'd!!! Mid Engine > Cash Rewards
03/01/2020 at 21:39

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In my mind it’s the ch ur ches mostly, in particular the Catholic church. Shame these people can’t join this century, mi ssing out on a lot of great people.    


Kinja'd!!! facw > My bird IS the word
03/01/2020 at 21:40

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Probably a cabinet post. They’ll want someone for VP who can actually boost turnout or deliver a swing state, and a boring white guy doesn’t have much pull over Biden in that regard. And Buttigieg knows that, but there’s a bunch of other places he could want to end up that would make him more formidable if he tries to run  again.


Kinja'd!!! Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > facw
03/01/2020 at 21:43

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I presume he’d hire people with experience. He’d get on-the-job training. I’m sure your argument is fair and sensible.


Kinja'd!!! wafflesnfalafel > facw
03/01/2020 at 21:44

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hmm... disagree - folks have to be willing to choose the least worst. You can’t storm off in a tantrum because you don’t get what you want. I don’t think the Clinton campaign was well run, and I don’t agree with her on many things  - but Sander’s inability to convince his supporters to shift caused the issue and Trump and Russia benefited.  


Kinja'd!!! shop-teacher > dogisbadob
03/01/2020 at 21:51

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Well shit. The ones I like keep dropping out.


Kinja'd!!! facw > wafflesnfalafel
03/01/2020 at 21:54

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And yet clearly people don’t vote like that. If we had mandatory voting, then maybe but as it is you are stuck with the situation where many people definitely won’t vote for the least bad of the two candidates even if they should rationally. “I don’t care about the the things you care about, but vote for me anyone because the other guy is worse” is really not that compelling. And ultimately people do question why it’s ok for a candidate to take them for-granted.

Bottom line to me, Hillary should have been aggressively reaching out to Bernie and his supporters on issues where they do share common ground as soon as it was clear she clinched, instead she remained antagonistic almost all the way to the convention, eventually putting out a pretty weak statement on student debt. 


Kinja'd!!! someassemblyrequired > facw
03/01/2020 at 22:04

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Yeah you’re probably right, I mean Indiana once had Dem senators but seems to have kinda gone a bit Fox News-wingnutty the last two decades.

If I were a betting man, he’ll be Biden’s SecDef.


Kinja'd!!! Mercedes Streeter > facw
03/02/2020 at 10:15

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Thank you!

It boggles my mind how people are content with blaming Sanders for Trump’s win. All he did was challenge his far more centrist opponent which *checks notes* is exactly supposed to happen. Clinton’s failing to get progressive votes is on her. Clinton’s failing to get conservative votes in critical states is on her. Most estimates seem to say that most Sanders supporters DID vote for her anyway, so blaming him seems pretty pointless. And mind you, the DNC basically let Clinton run the show, too!

The problem with 2016 was that *both* general election candidates were so weak that many people simply stayed home. We aren’t a nation with forced voting so if candidates suck people aren’t going to vote. And in Utah, Trump and Clinton were so unloved that an Independent went home with nearly a quarter of their vote.

So blame Sanders for trying to move her left, but remember, we’re talking about someone who had the terrible slogan “I’m With Her” for far longer than they should have been. At least Trump was smart enough to not make his slogan entirely about him.


Kinja'd!!! Mercedes Streeter > dogisbadob
03/02/2020 at 10:19

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“Warren is a younger, more-effective version of Bernie.”

Except for when she’s under pressure or being bullied...then you get Native American blood tests.

I like her a lot, but she doesn't seem to do too hot when someone's lighting a fire under her.